Poll
So are flag pins a true measure of a man?
Yes, but only if you have it pinned directly to you chest! Pain = patriotism
Only if you are covered in them head to toes
A big giant one you carry around on your back
Flag pins do not mean patriotism

Votes: 20 Comments: 0
Results : Vote Link : Polls
Tipses, for stockpiling flagpins (2.00 / 4)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:17:41 PM EST

what else have learned? Humorous answers only pls! (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:19:10 PM EST
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Racism is an African American problem. (none / 0)


by Lieber on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:31:04 PM EST
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No.. (1.00 / 6)

I think that you are trying to divert people's attention from a number of important issues.

Its not all about your candidate, or about race. Why can't you Obama supporters ever address the very real issues that are being discussed here and instead, try to focus on minutiae.

The reality is not that complicated to understand if you would just LISTEN.

ITS NOT ALL ABOUT HIM OR YOU

You are trying to pretend that your candidate exists in a vacuum. He doesn't and America has a LOT of BIG problems of which racism is ONE.

Its an important one, granted, BUT I am NOT convinced that voting for Obama would do ANYTHING to solve it. In fact, I know that Obama has policies in his platform that will profoundly hurt many poor black people as much as they will hurt poor other people.

ALSO, at this point, I think that Obama's callos lack of understanding of poor people's issues and victim stance would make racism WORSE in both the long and short runs.

You selfish IDIOTS should consider that, but of course you don't and wont.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

TRed fpr calling people idiots (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:56:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No.. (none / 0)

Hey, that's not humorous.  And you really shouldn't insult people like that.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:05:25 PM EST
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Dude, you need to take it down like eleven... (none / 0)

...notches.

Note the tip jar, which said comedy only.

Based on the media, APPARENLY, the only people who still have an issue with race are... BLACK PEOPLE.

But keep screaming in the bold type, which makes you seem so much more right.


by Lieber on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:05:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, I learned a few things just in the last day... (none / 0)

I learned that however careful I am NOT to accuse Clinton supporters in general of being racist, and only accuse the actual racist assholes of being racist, well, a lot of the Clinton supporters STILL think I'm calling them racist.
I also learned rather viscerally that race is still a huge deal in this country, but I don't think we'ree going to get anywhere on it until we talk it through.
That means that people like me have to be a whole lot more careful when bringing it up, since it never helps if I end up offending people who are most likely already on my side--even inadvertently.
But I think it also means that people should read things carefully too, and try to see the point the writer is making, and not jump to conclusions defensively.
I also learned that there are a few people who seem invested in willfully misunderstanding things--on every side of an issue.
I learned that sexism is also a big problem in this country, and that we should all try to keep an eye out for mysogeny as well as racism.
I learned that we Democrats had better start working out our problems pretty damned soon if we don't want to piss this election away--whoever ends up as the nominee.
In truth, I knew a lot of that before, but it's always helpful to be reminded emphatically.
I'm sorry for not making this funnier...
ооо
by Mumphrey on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:12:05 PM EST
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Re: What we learned this election season (2.00 / 2)

I learned some different things and I learned them on liberal blogs.
*It's OK to judge a candidate's ankles and mock her choice of clothing.
*That liberals will defend the right of the media to be sexist but will speak up if they are racist.
*That progressive now means to personally attack opponent with a narrative from the right wing.
*That a calling a woman's voice "school marmish" should not be taken as an insult.
*That reaching out to, talking with the "other side" is noble if one candidate does it (cause he is the new uniter) but evil if the other does.
by Jjc2008 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:31:05 PM EST

Re: What we learned this election season (none / 0)

here is what i learned:

- the right wing talking points from the 90's can be be recycled and used by a dem on another dem

  • sexism is allowed especially when it is directed at a older woman
  • feminism is dumb
  • identity politics only is wrong when it involves race
  • the media decides the dem candidate for pres
  • that caucus states have more of a say than primaries states
  • the delegate and proportional allocation of DNC is dumb
  • that experience is overrated
  • 'progressivism' only means something when it favours one candidate
  • the new term 'in the tank' as coined by SNL actually has been elevated to a new level


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:12:34 PM EST

the world would be (2.00 / 1)

a better place if men were measured by arugula (or any leafy green for that matter)rather than "god" and gold.

...........my $0.02


by citizendave on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:15:25 PM EST

Re: What we learned this election season (none / 0)

Fox is fair and balanced, but the New York Times is hopelessly biased.


by jdusek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:48:17 PM EST

Re: What we learned this election season (2.00 / 1)


I learned that a whole campaign of "hope" and "change" can be built on: resentment, tribalism, claims of entitlement yet victimhood, ignorance of history, convenient revisionism, disparagement and disavowing of American duties and responsibilities in the world at large.

A little more seriously:
The Obama campaign is principally about the Party and groups ascendent within it.

The Clinton campaign is about dealing with the big picture mess we're in as a country.

The Obama campaign claims to be competent in the area the Clinton focus is on, but hasn't convinced.  The Clinton campaign doesn't claim to be about the long term future of the Party.

Both campaigns are about doing things that are overdue.  But one will be better at the combination of both tasks.  My bet is on Clinton.


by killjoy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:02:27 PM EST

What I've learned (none / 0)

1.Keith Olberman is a pathetic hack who cant' adhere to basic standards of journalism'

What I haven't been able to figure out: Why someone as disatrous as Donna Brazile is taken so seriously given her association with such fiascos as the 88 Dukakis Campaign


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:49:23 PM EST

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